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{ I don’t understand his perspective on this one, and I normally understand his point of view. }

oh yeah, now we remember, 'cause suddenly we're getting the shit end of the stick.
God forbid any of you people ever make something of yourselves and become moderately wealthy.
Still too poor to afford the protection of lobbyists but not poor enough to get the protection of liberals.

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. Are you saying I'm crazy for understanding him? If so, I did point out even while I understand him I don't always agree with him.

I didn't say anything about you? I'm just reminding you all that he's a lunatic socialist. Who wants actual socialist policies. So I don't understand when you say you don't understand his point of view.

I couldn't quite tell what you were saying when you said that, but now I understand.
That particular policy didn't seem to make sense to me beyond pandering to a demographic. Like I said though, I'm not well-versed on the Obamacare issue. I'm fairly new to in-depth politics. Or anything past the surface level of politics.

Can I assume the people downvoting are for expanding Obamacare to illegal immigrants then?
What compassionate people here on KYM~

Joe Biden could decide presidential run in the next week

I'm assuming it's because a fair amount of kym users like Sanders, and you called him a lunatic.

It's almost too late. He better decide soon. I don't think missing out on the first debate would be good for him, especially given the lack of them.

but Sanders is a lunatic though

I'm pretty sure I read that he was skipping the first one.

Here it is on CNN he's "expected to skip the first debate" because he doesn't feel like there's a need to decide by then. They expect a decision in the second half of Oct.

Once again, that doesn't sound like the most intelligent move. Maybe though the long running period means those early debates are ineffective. I'd like to see some statistics on their effects on elections.

The debates are usually pretty effective for both parties, and the Democrats had 26 in the 2008 primaries. It's because Hillary is running that they changed it up, they know she'll look like an ass if she has to speak on her own.

She and maybe Sanders are the only ones who benefit from the ridiculously low amount of debates. It figures they'd do this the first year I get interested in politics.

It'd specifically be helpful to know the influence of the first debate when the candidate participates in the rest… Although the lesser number of debates probably really impacts it.

I want to fucking castrate Mike Huckabee and bash his face in with a Louisville Slugger.

Might I ask what exactly about him brings about such seething dislike?

>Liberalism = Mental disorder

Liberals should be medicated.

This is not technically related to the primaries but I'm not going to make a separate thread just for it.

Just a hilarious headline-timeline of the Speaker nomination breakdown:
Boehner says he’ll stay until replacement is chosen
McCarthy Withdraws from Speaker Race, Postpones Election
Republican Rep. Charlie Dent Calls For 'Bipartisan Coalition' To Select New Speaker
Kevin McCarthy And Renee Ellmers Wikipedia Pages Edited To Accuse Affair
Edits came from 'Homeland Security' IP address…
House members weeping in Capitol

Care to elaborate on why Sanders would benefit? Most people believe the lack of debates has been a main problem for him and he believes there should be many more debates than what's being offered.

Speaking of, I heard CNN cut the Dem debate down to two hours. 12 hours total of time they'll have to debate in front of the public for the whole election season. We've hit 50% of that in just two debates.

That's why I said "maybe Sanders". He's been rising steadily without debates already, and we have over a year left, so the lack of debates might not hit him like it will, say, Biden and O'Malley. I don't know nearly as much about the Democratic candidates as I do Republican candidates (partly because it's not nearly as fun to watch them fight), but from what I know Biden would probably benefit a lot from them, and those percentage points have to come from somewhere – whether it be the undecided that everyone is constantly trying to grab, or the other candidates.

@Lisa that's just ludicrous. It's bad enough they're skewing it already with only 6 debates, but limiting it so much? I wouldn't be surprised if it also hurt the Democrats overall. Less TV time in the early stages might lose moderates to the Republicans, who are getting a ton of love from the media.

1:40 for the legal Colombian immigrant who is apparently thrilled to be voting for Trump.
~30% of Hispanic voters poll that they're voting for Trump atm.

It's not that surprising to me. Trump's comments are primarily, if not completely about illegal immigrants. I'd imagine people who took the time to get in legally and become a citizen aren't thrilled with people who break in and steal tax dollars.

{ CNN's Anderson Cooper will moderate the first Democratic presidential debate this week, and unlike the previous Republican debate hosted by CNN, Cooper said he won't be encouraging confrontations between the candidates.

"I'm always uncomfortable with that notion of setting people up in order to kind of promote some sort of a face off," Cooper said Sunday on CNN's "Reliable Sources." "Look, these are all serious people. This is a serious debate. They want to talk about the issues and I want to give them an opportunity to do that."

Cooper's suggested style is a departure from the GOP debate hosted by CNN and moderated by Jake Tapper in September. Before that debate, Tapper had said he was "trying to craft questions that, in most cases, pit candidates against the other." }

tfw you'll always be a conservative living in a liberal's world

You don't want the debaters debating? You'd rather the floor be in a mess of logical fallacies and a general "neener neener neener" vibe?

No, the fact that CNN moderator #2 is so kindly advertising his willingness to pose questions to "serious people that want to have a serious debate" when CNN moderator #1 openly admitted he was intentionally asking GOP candidates questions that would cause emotional confrontations is what makes me feel like smashing computers.

I would prefer if the moderators treated both parties like they're full of serious people who want to have a serious debate, but fuck the conservatives I guess.

Ah, okay. I wasn't sure what you were getting at. I want to say that #1's decision was entirely on him, because this wasn't an issue in past presidential debates. We've had TVized debates since Kennedy v. Nixon, yet we haven't had issues like that before. Vice-presidential candidates don't count, they love to hate on each other.

Here comes the first Democratic debate.

Take a swig with every space. Finish your drink if Joe Biden joins at the last moment.

If we get through the entire debate and nobody says anything about Hillary's email or she's the only one who gets to comment on the issue, down the whole damn bottle.

While I'm not gonna be able to stay here during the debate, I'll be watching and I figured I'll throw this at you guys. I'll have some comments after it's over to share with you guys.

Don't forget to take the challenge with your amusingly-oxymoronic Red Donkey beer!

I'll be watching the CNN debate live. If I know Donald Trump, he'll fly into the room in a helicopter holding El chapo's dead body yelling "build a wall"

Donald Trump did not appear for the introduction of the democratic candidates, to my disappointment. The ghost of Joe Biden also failed to appear. Side note: Hillary Clinton's hair and dress reminds me of that woman from Harry Potter who said "I will, have order!"

Jim Webb literally said the phrase "I have a proven record accomplishing various things" and then mentioned none of them.

"Almost all of the income and wealth being created is going to the top 1%"

Because they're importing cheap immigrants and laying off citizens en masse (100% of the job growth for people age 16-65 from 2007 to 2015 went to immigrants), but the Dems are all for that…

Bernie even talks like Trump lmfao, they're both bad at speaking.

Gonna start with problems voters have with you… Clinton first… asked about flip flopping on gay marriage…

Contrast this with how both debates have opened on Trump thus far.

My favorite headline: Senior Citizens Set for Evening of Fun in Las Vegsa

I found the capitalism question interesting, gave a slight eyebrow raise but Bernie handled it well though Hillary tried turning it on him. Hillary seemed to shrug off some flip-flopping she's done just saying "i've been consistent" without really backing the statement very well. Hillary Clinton jabbed rather strongly at Bernie on gun control but his views were reasonably explained.That one guy in the green tie Chaffee I think it was looks like the cute guy from the Gravity Falls election in the 14th episode of season 2.

(edited to say the episode number right)

Reign in that butthurt, liberal lurkers in the thread, nobody downvoted your posts when you commented on the GOP debates

wow gun control really falling apart here.
How long has it been since we haven't mentioned Hillary's emails?

I hope you're all paying attention to this display of a complete and utter lack of foreign policy from any of these candidates.

"When we or our allies are threatened…"

How many more times does Khamenei have to lead death to America chants before these people open their eyes??

I would rather have Putin there than the Democrats in charge of the situation, that's for sure.

christ, someone poke Sanders and make sure he's still alive every so often…

We are officially halfway through this debate, does anyone feel like they know how these candidates are going to fix things yet or…?

I wish they would disassociate long-term sustainability from climate change alarmism.
This was my biggest struggle when I was getting my degree.

Generally when someone states something but doesn't back it up, that person really isn't actually going through with that statement. Hilary wants this and this, but on the other hand, she received her donations through people who would rather she take it a different route. Obviously they want their donations to have a return investment.

Bernie is being all friendly with Jim Webb it's adorable as shit x3

The greatest national security threat was an interesting one, Hillary answered nuclear weapons, Bernie answered global environmental issues.

Here we go! Now this is what I came for, they better grill her hard.

They're applauding her refusing to respond but the mod's right, the people want to know her answer to these questions, we don't want to hear her deflecting. Ohhh let's talk about the issues that really matter! Let's stop personally attacking Donald Trump in the name of fairness too, let's just talk about the issues with him!

Painful to watch.

….and it's just gotten worse.
#BLM

"Where were we when Bush left?"

idk Bernie, where were we?

"The economy does better when there's a Democrat in the White House!"

are we looking at the same labor force stats??

& look at the state of public elementary and high schools in this country… clearly a success story we should repeat with college.

"I want to help the poorest of poor expand their SS benefits"

Which is none of you. Democrats are not for the middle class or the working class. The working class is far more difficult to sway when you can exchange handouts for votes from people you automatically registered as a Democrat when you gave them a license.

Bernie Sanders just cleansed Hillary of her issues with the emails. That, was not political strategy, at least I'm guessing it was not meant to be, but if it had been strategic that was probably genius. The emails are a big issue with her, he just said they shouldn't be so focused on as much, and in doing so he will make a big hit in the news for saying that the emails shouldn't be focused on and will gain a reputation for being a fair guy.

Black Lives Matter or do All Lives Matter. God, what a fucking stupid question. It's a loaded question targeted at Bernie over the #blacklivesmatter interruptions against him. Yeah no shit black lives do have more serious issues than other lives in the country but it's a "you're damned one way or you're damned the other" question where if you say black lives you're implying all the other lives don't matter and if you say all lives you're implying the black lives don't matter even though black lives are a part of all lives. It's fucking horseshit, but I get why they mentioned the question since he's had issues on the campaign trail over it. Black lives are a part of all lives, black lives deserve some more attention because they specifically deal with more issues, but to say they and ONLY they matter, is bullshit. Hated that question, hate that it's even an issue.

Hillary did not give a very solid answer to the question of if she supported Bernie's social security plan.

>black lives matter

God damn, seriously? Of all the questions they could have picked…

Well I've give Bernie serious kudos for calling out the NSA and not shitalking Snowden. It's really sad how lukewarm the other candidates were there…

Also, that guy who calls Israel "our greatest ally"… man, really?

Some of my fav liberal response tweets so far:

Democratic debate audience is as white as the Oscars.
-- Stacey Patton (@DrStaceyPatton)

Is this a presidential debate or a white power rally? #DemDebate pic.twitter.com/Bq0pGZ8mpt
-- W.E.B. Du Baé (@alwaystheself)

A whole lotta patronizing talk and savior complex from white male democratic candidates on "poor blacks." #DemDebate
-- Nancy Wang Yuen (@nancywyuen)

Webb: white mansplaining on affirmative action. #DemDebate
-- Cate Gormley (@cate_gee)

Hillary gave an interesting story regarding her talking with the Chinese alongside Obama. Also gave a good answer to Carly Fiorina's statement on paid family medical leave. I believe Paid Family Leave will go on to be a central debate point between whoever the two winning nominees will be. I found it surprisingly closed-minded on Hillary's part to not legalize recreational marijuana, and expected her to be okay with it, although she did state her support of the medicinal use of it.

Hillary said to the question of which enemy she's most proud of making in her political career, that besides the NRA, the republicans. God, how rude and alienating. Bernie said Wallstreet was his top enemy. Hillary is not going to win a general election with that attitude of hers.

Unfortunately the CNN site decided to cut the streaming early because they're stupid, so I'm missing the last parts of the debate. I kinda wanted to hear about recreational marijuana.
Some notes I took:
That opening was HILARIOUS. Here's Hillary! Here's Bernie! Here's three other guys and we'll only show you video of one!
Cooper seems to be picking on Webb when it comes to time.
Clinton loves pointing out she's a woman.
I actually like Bernie's gun views and, surprisingly, my Republican dad does too. He also said if he had to pick between Bernie and Hillary he'd definitely choose Bernie.

Obligatory after-debate Drudge poll (time is almost 1 EST):

Personally, I'm surprised Webb did so well. He was polling low and didn't appear to be that impressive. I definitely understand Chafee's lack of support – he was sorta creepy and not understanding that bill he voted for didn't help, regardless of the fact a lot of senators do that sometimes. It also makes sense Clinton did so badly. When you make statements saying that you're an outsider because you're a woman and that alone will make you different from Obama, you're going to be a laughing stock.

Drudge Poll is iffy when it comes to Dem votes, it's visited primarily by millions of conservatives.

Here's Time:

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{ A Reuters/Ipsos poll of 1,221 adults conducted from Oct. 9 through Oct. 13 found that 57 percent of registered voters were not aware of the debate between the five candidates, to be held at the Wynn Hotel in Las Vegas.

In the same vein, 16 percent of registered Democrats said they had heard nothing at all about the debate and 34 percent said they had only heard a little bit.

"I wouldn't be surprised if the president catches part of the debate tonight. I don't think that he will watch it wire to wire," White House spokesman Josh Earnest. "There is … some pretty good playoff baseball on tonight, so I would anticipate that he may be doing a little channel surfing. }

Does anyone actually care about the Democrats besides reddit?
That appears to be the question.

1221 adults seems pretty small, but then again, increasing the sample size means nothing if the R value remains the same. This is a glaring issue people don't seem to understand. You have to vote so the mouth-breathing troglodytes don't have a chance of getting elected, be it local, state, or federal positions.

^ ~1,000 is the standard phone poll size, that's how they get all the voter support stats too.

AP Fact Checks Hillary and Bernie

{ CLINTON on her email practices: "I have been as transparent as I know to be. … I said I have answered all the questions."

THE FACTS: Clinton has yet to explain how the server was set up and serviced, whether she informed the State Department about her decision to use the private system and, most important, how it was protected from hacking attempts. Her server also was connected to the Internet in ways that made it more vulnerable to hackers. But her campaign has repeatedly declined to address these details. }

{ SANDERS: "Make every public college and university in this country tuition-free."

CLINTON: "My plan would enable anyone to go to a public college or university tuition-free. You would not have to borrow money for tuition."

THE FACTS: Free for the students, but someone has to pay.

Sanders' plan would cover tuition and fees at public universities -- a $70 billion annual expense with the federal government picking up two-thirds of that tab by taxing trading in the financial markets.

The Clinton plan is bound to cost more than the $35 billion per year over 10 years projected by her campaign. This is because more students would probably switch to public universities on the potential to graduate without debt, raising costs for the government and potentially leaving many modestly endowed private institutions in the lurch.

Neither candidate told TV viewers about the costs to the treasury of what they propose. }

{ SANDERS: "What we need to do is … raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour."

THE FACTS: That might boost pay for many workers, but as with college tuition, there's a cost: His plan would probably cause many low-wage employers to outsource or automate some jobs .

A jump to $15 an hour would be more than double the federal minimum of $7.25. It would also be far above the minimum wage's previous peak of just under $11, adjusted for inflation, in 1968. And a $15 minimum wage is above the median wage in eight states, which suggests a boost to $15 could cause widespread job losses in those states. }